're the real odd duck in california because of our density. there is no place else quite like san francisco. >> okay. commissioner ortiz-cartagena? >> i just have one question to clarify some thoughts in my head. i live in the southeast sector of the city. my impression is that we are not in a convenience zone, because there is no supermarket, excluding a 7-eleven that meets the criteria of the revenue mark. so i think it might have been answered, but i'm not clear. all of those small businesses, all of those conveniences stores, do they have to pay the $100 or they are not in a convenience zone? >> actually the southeast sector and the whole eastside of the city is served by scrapyards and existing metal recyclers. >> okay. >> so they can establish a zone there and that creates nearby what is called "nearby convenience." that kind of exempts the supermarkets. >> okay. >> so you are okay there. say you have got this kind of odd schizophrenia with lots of things over on 3rd street, nothing over on the west side and the north side. but that is why you are okay there in terms of providi

in terms of if there were some recommendations coming out of san francisco, there is a vehicle for us to talk to the folks up there. >> great. >> this convenience zone, is that unique to california? >> it is. it's very unusual. i am from the east coast and grew up with the bottle bill there and it's very different. it's very successful here and they are talking about using it as a national model. there is an effort to try to create more jobs by creating more recycling infrastructure. because many states don't have anything at all and the stuff is just thrown out all over the place if you are driving across the country. they are looking at this particular law as a value and it's funny we're the real odd duck in california because of our density. there is no place else quite like san francisco. >> okay. commissioner ortiz-cartagena? >> i just have one question to clarify some thoughts in my head. i live in the southeast sector of the city. my impression is that we are not in a convenience zone, because there is no supermarket, excluding a 7-eleven that meets the criteria of the rev

'm not sure. i was thinking whether san francisco, for instance, could pass an ordinance that took the existing bottle bill and put stronger rules in it? i thought we could do that, but i was told by someone that we're superseding state law and the stores would argue that you can't do that. so i'm not sure. i can't really answer that? >> i think the best way to go about it is to petition the state to carve out something for san francisco? is that our best approach? >> i wish i would say there was -- there is an existing collaborative process. it's pretty much you say things to the state and they kind of respond. it would be ideal to have a slightly more collaborative approach and actually, i think where we, the greater extent that we come up with something here, that we can propose to them, the better. and if we shape the state law a little bit with these amendments that are the opportunity for amendments, for instance, raising the in-lieu fee from $100 to $500 or some higher number will give us more tools. like i said, we're sort of in new turf and no one has done this befo

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